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French (fr_FR)

camille — Mon, 05 Sep 2005 13:55:38 GMT

Bonjour les Francophones!We at NeoDoc are currently evaluating the translation files and will start translation asap (after PR6 is published).If you wish to participate, please post a message here.Ãƒâ‚¬ bientÃƒÂ´t,

Re: French (fr_FR)

pseillier — Mon, 05 Sep 2005 21:38:18 GMT

Bonjour ÃƒÂ tous, je souhaite participer ÃƒÂ la traduction en franÃƒÂ§ais.

Re: French (fr_FR)

camille — Tue, 06 Sep 2005 07:56:43 GMT

Les fichiers ÃƒÂ traduire sont disponibles ici:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=143373&package_id=162536&release_id=353710

Voici le nombre de mots par fichier:

action-config.properties: 267
messages.properties: 2261
rule-config.properties: 2

Si vous voulez traduire un fichier, rÃƒÂ©servez le en postant un message ici, puis envoyez moi (camille@neodoc.biz) la traduction en n'omettant pas d'y faire figurer vos coordonnÃƒÂ©es en commentaire.

[Il n'est pas possible d'attacher un fichier ici?]

Re: French (fr_FR)

lgr — Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:34:28 GMT

Bonjour,

Une traduction est-elle en cours ou faut-il la dÃƒÂ©buter ?

Laurent.

Re: French (fr_FR)

camille — Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:44:14 GMT

Bonjour,

Une traduction est-elle en cours ou faut-il la dÃƒÂ©buter ?

La traduction en franÃƒÂ§ais est maintenant terminÃƒÂ©e et est en phase de relecture. La version courante est disponible ici: https://svn.neodoc.biz/alfresco/trunk/i18n/fr_FR/

Comments welcome, we had many trouble for some very specific terms.

Re: French (fr_FR)

lgr — Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:03:18 GMT

thanks, i'll try it as soon as PR7 or october version is out.

Laurent.

Re: French (fr_FR)

fshipley — Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:27:39 GMT

We are wondering how to translate "join date" into French. It depends on the context. However we have not found "join date" anywhere on the web client interface. Can anyone tell me where it is ?

Re: French (fr_FR)

lgr — Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:54:24 GMT

We are wondering how to translate "join date" into French. It depends on the context. However we have not found "join date" anywhere on the web client interface. Can anyone tell me where it is ?

I think "Join Date", included in the username properties, stands for "date d'inscription", and is different from "Created Date".

Created date is the date the user is for the first time defined in Alfresco (through invitation or prÃƒÂ©-registration), then Join date is the date the user is officially defined in Alfresco (has answered positively to the invitation, or has completed a challenge-response registration process).

This is what i think, but i can be wrong …

Hope this helps 🙂

Laurent.

Re: French (fr_FR)

fshipley — Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:39:59 GMT

Here is a list of terms and their French translation we have used for the French Language Pack (which is almost finished). Thanks for your comments and suggestions for improvement.

en_GB - fr_FR
add content wizard - assistant d'ajout de contenu
advanced space wizard - assistant espace avancÃƒÂ©
browse spaces - parcourir les espaces
browse view - vue sommaire
category - catÃƒÂ©gorie
sub-category - sous-catÃƒÂ©gorie
check in - archiver
check in options - options d'archivage de la copie de travail
check out - extraire une copie de travail
checked out file - copie de travail (privÃƒÂ©e) d'un fichier
child spaces - espaces enfants
clipboard - presse-papiers
company home - accueil entreprise
config service - service de configuration
content - contenu
content items - elÃƒÂ©ments de contenu
content rules - rÃƒÂ¨gles de contenu
content node - noeud contenu
create content wizard - assistant de crÃƒÂ©ation de contenu
custom action wizard - assistant d'action personnalisÃƒÂ©e
delete - supprimer
details view - vue dÃƒÂ©tails
download - tÃƒÂ©lÃƒÂ©charger
edit - editer
edit rule wizard - assistant de modification d'une rÃƒÂ¨gle
edit user wizard - assistant de modification d'un utilisateur
email - courriel
feature - caractÃƒÂ©ristique
file name pattern - motif de recherche sur le nom de fichier
go - aller
go up - remonter
guest - invitÃƒÂ©
hint - astuce
home space - espace d'accueil
home space node - noeud espace d'accueil
icon view - vue icÃƒÂ´nes
inline editing - ÃƒÂ©dition en ligne
invite users wizard - assistant d'invitation d'utilisateurs
item - ÃƒÂ©lÃƒÂ©ment
item location - emplacement de l'elÃƒÂ©ment
repository item - ÃƒÂ©lÃƒÂ©ment du dÃƒÂ©pÃƒÂ´t
join date - date d'inscription
location - emplacement
login - se connecter
logout - se dÃƒÂ©connecter
look for - rechercher
look in - regarder
manage - gÃƒÂ©rer
more… - davantage…
my home - mon accueil
network folder - dossier rÃƒÂ©seau
new rule wizard - assistant de crÃƒÂ©ation d'une nouvelle rÃƒÂ¨gle
new space wizard - assitant de crÃƒÂ©ation d'un nouvel espace
new user wizard - assistant de crÃƒÂ©ation d'un nouvel utilisateur
preview - prÃƒÂ©visualiser
properties - propriÃƒÂ©tÃƒÂ©s
person properties - caractÃƒÂ©ristiques de la personne
user properties - caractÃƒÂ©ristiques de l'utilisateur
remove - effacer
repository - dÃƒÂ©pÃƒÂ´t
role - rÃƒÂ´le
rule - rÃƒÂ¨gle
save - enregistrer
save as target - enregistrer la cible sous
scratch - zÃƒÂ©ro
shelf - panneau latÃƒÂ©ral
shortcut - raccourci
space - espace
step - ÃƒÂ©tape
template - modÃƒÂ¨le
undo - annuler
update - mettre ÃƒÂ jour
upload - transfÃƒÂ©rer vers le serveur
version history - historique de version
view - vue
web client - client web
wildcard - caractÃƒÂ¨re spÃƒÂ©cial
workflow - workflow
simple workflow - workflow basique
approve flow - processus d'approbation
approve step - ÃƒÂ©tape d'approbation
reject flow - processus de refus
reject step - ÃƒÂ©tape de refus

Re: French (fr_FR)

pseillier — Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:57:51 GMT

Here is a first proposition of scheme for french messages.

We can divide messages in categories : significant words, descriptions, labels

Significant words:
—————–
a word that has a meaning like "Espace" which is not a space character but an area in which we put items (I'm going to build a list of french significant words). A significant word must start with an uppercase letter.

Descriptions:
————-
A description contains one or more sentences. Each sentence must start with an uppercase letter and finish with a dot. Each word contained in the description is in lowercase except for significant word.

Labels
——
The labels are messages that appear in menus, forms, shelfs. A label must start with an uppercase letter but must not finish with a dot. The label must be a valid and meaning french sentence. It means rather than "CrÃƒÂ©er contenu" we must write "CrÃƒÂ©er un contenu" or more verbose "CrÃƒÂ©er un nouveau contenu".

pseillier

Re: French (fr_FR)

lgr — Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:25:00 GMT

Here is a list of terms and their French translation we have used for the French Language Pack (which is almost finished). Thanks for your comments and suggestions for improvement.

Hi,

Here are some terms that don't match my knowledge of translations. I've removed all terms that looked fine to me. Sentenses begining with "-" are my comments.

advanced space wizard - assistant de crÃƒÂ©ation d'espace ÃƒÂ©voluÃƒÂ©
- or "dossier", see my comment at the end

browse view - vue synthÃƒÂ©tique
check in - crÃƒÂ©er une copie de travail
check in options - options de crÃƒÂ©ation de la copie de travail
check out - Validation de la copie de travail modifiÃƒÂ©e

child spaces - sous-espaces
- or "sous-dossiers", see my comment at the end

company home - accueil
- But i hope alfresco will soon allow us to customize this "company name"…

content node - noeud contenu
- this one looks odd, and i didn't find it in the message.properties. I prefer use "space" (or "dossier, see my comment at the end)

details view - vue dÃƒÂ©taillÃƒÂ©e
file name pattern - motif de recherche sur le nom de fichier

home space node - noeud espace d'accueil
- I prefer use "space" (or "dossier, see my comment at the end)

icon view - vue en icÃƒÂ´nes

repository item - ÃƒÂ©lÃƒÂ©ment du dÃƒÂ©pÃƒÂ´t
- it stands for a technical item that is not found in the database. We sould use "contenu" instead …

login - se connecter
logout - se dÃƒÂ©connecter
- "Connexion" and "DÃƒÂ©connexion" should fit better …

my home - mon accueil
- or "Mes dossiers", see my comment at the end

new space wizard - assitant de crÃƒÂ©ation d'un nouvel espace
- or "dossier" …

repository - espace de stockage
version history - historique des versions
wildcard - joker

A last question : do we have to translate "space" with "espace" ? I feel that it is not the true word, we could use the words "espace de stockage", or "rÃƒÂ©pertoire", or better "dossier". (i really like the "dossier" translation).

Another comment about the term "wizard", i don't like it : "edit rule wizard" is similar to "edit rule", so i'll translate it to "editer la rÃƒÂ¨gle", but we should ask to Alfresco owners if they do agree with me…

These are my two cents 🙂

Laurent.

Re: French (fr_FR)

fshipley — Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:15:04 GMT

Here is a list of terms and their French translation we have used for the French Language Pack (which is almost finished). Thanks for your comments and suggestions for improvement.

Here are some terms that don't match my knowledge of translations. I've removed all terms that looked fine to me. Sentenses begining with "-" are my comments.

Hi Laurent,

Thanks for your comments.

So I'll replace the following translations with yours :

advanced space wizard - assistant de crÃƒÂ©ation d'espace ÃƒÂ©voluÃƒÂ©
browse view - vue synthÃƒÂ©tique
child spaces - sous-espaces
company home - accueil
details view - vue dÃƒÂ©taillÃƒÂ©e
icon view - vue en icÃƒÂ´nes
login - connexion
logout - dÃƒÂ©connexion
version history - historique des versions
wildcard - joker

I think you've got check in / check out the wrong way around !

check in - crÃƒÂ©er une copie de travail
check in options - options de crÃƒÂ©ation de la copie de travail
check out - Validation de la copie de travail modifiÃƒÂ©e

We have done quite a bit of research for check in and check out and it seems that the most common translations are :
check in - archiver
check out - extraire

content node - noeud contenu
- this one looks odd, and i didn't find it in the message.properties.

Yes, I think the term node is perhaps too technical. We need to find out in what context it is used.

Two outstanding questions :
- do we translate repository as "espace de stockage" or "dÃƒÂ©pÃƒÂ´t"
- is there a more user-friendly term than "espace". A few suggestions : "espace de stockage", "espace de travail", "dossier" …

Frank

Re: French (fr_FR)

fshipley — Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:17:23 GMT

Here is a first proposition of scheme for french messages.

Hi Philippe,

I like your suggestion. Are there any other comments from anyone ? Laurent what do you think ?

Frank

Re: French (fr_FR)

lgr — Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:34:24 GMT

I think you've got check in / check out the wrong way around !
check in - crÃƒÂ©er une copie de travail
check in options - options de crÃƒÂ©ation de la copie de travail
check out - Validation de la copie de travail modifiÃƒÂ©e
We have done quite a bit of research for check in and check out and it seems that the most common translations are :
check in - archiver
check out - extraire

I do agree with you, the literal translation for these terms are "archiver" and "extraire", but i feel they have a different meaning in the Alfresco context. When you check in a document, you lock it, create a work-in-progress copy, and when you check out, you replace the current version with the modified copy, and unlock the new version. So "archiver" is not the right word, because archiving seems putting the document in a box because it is obsolete, or because it is too old. Also, when you check out, you don't really extract anything, but you replace the old content with the new validated one.

Anyway, i've also researched on the net, and i've found this :
http://www.enssib.fr/autres-sites/dessid/dessid04/glossaire/glossaire.html#CYCLEPUBLICATION

It says "Extraction" for check-out, and "RÃƒÂ©-introduction" for check-in. Well, i've asked to a french quality assurance guru working with document management systems what he thinks about these translations. I'll post his comments here later.

content node - noeud contenu
- this one looks odd, and i didn't find it in the message.properties.
Yes, I think the term node is perhaps too technical. We need to find out in what context it is used.

I don't understand where this term is used … So i can't help translate it :-(.

Two outstanding questions :
- do we translate repository as "espace de stockage" or "dÃƒÂ©pÃƒÂ´t"
- is there a more user-friendly term than "espace". A few suggestions : "espace de stockage", "espace de travail", "dossier" …

I prefer "espace de stockage", but i'm a technical guy, and i'm not used to working with document management systems…

On the other hand, I really think "dossier" is a good term. It is a small word and we really put sorted out documents in "dossiers".

Well … We just have now to put these terms avaible for PR7 or october version, so that other people use it, and we'll probably receive comments about misused terms …

Best regards,

Laurent.

Re: French (fr_FR)

fshipley — Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:50:23 GMT

I think you've got check in / check out the wrong way around !
check in - crÃƒÂ©er une copie de travail
check in options - options de crÃƒÂ©ation de la copie de travail
check out - Validation de la copie de travail modifiÃƒÂ©e
We have done quite a bit of research for check in and check out and it seems that the most common translations are :
check in - archiver
check out - extraire

I do agree with you, the literal translation for these terms are "archiver" and "extraire", but i feel they have a different meaning in the Alfresco context. When you check in a document, you lock it, create a work-in-progress copy, and when you check out, you replace the current version with the modified copy, and unlock the new version. So "archiver" is not the right word, because archiving seems putting the document in a box because it is obsolete, or because it is too old. Also, when you check out, you don't really extract anything, but you replace the old content with the new validated one.

Anyway, i've also researched on the net, and i've found this :
http://www.enssib.fr/autres-sites/dessid/dessid04/glossaire/glossaire.html#CYCLEPUBLICATION

It says "Extraction" for check-out, and "RÃƒÂ©-introduction" for check-in. Well, i've asked to a french quality assurance guru working with document management systems what he thinks about these translations. I'll post his comments here later.

I've left it as it was for the minute. I'm sure we'll get a lot of user feedback when end-users start using the system and then we can make any further changes.

content node - noeud contenu
- this one looks odd, and i didn't find it in the message.properties.
Yes, I think the term node is perhaps too technical. We need to find out in what context it is used.

I don't understand where this term is used … So i can't help translate it :-(.

Then term "node" is only used in some technical error messages, so I've left the translation as "noeud contenu".

Two outstanding questions :
- do we translate repository as "espace de stockage" or "dÃƒÂ©pÃƒÂ´t"
- is there a more user-friendly term than "espace". A few suggestions : "espace de stockage", "espace de travail", "dossier" …

I prefer "espace de stockage", but i'm a technical guy, and i'm not used to working with document management systems…

On the other hand, I really think "dossier" is a good term. It is a small word and we really put sorted out documents in "dossiers".

Well … We just have now to put these terms avaible for PR7 or october version, so that other people use it, and we'll probably receive comments about misused terms …

Best regards,

Laurent.

The other translators prefer the term "dÃƒÂ©pÃƒÂ´t" for "repository" and we can't agree on anything better than "espace" for the moment. There again, I think we'll wait for feedback from real end-users.

Thanks again for all your comments,
Frank

Re: French (fr_FR)

lgr — Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:04:48 GMT

I've received some information from my document management system guru. FYI, he daily uses a panagon system.

Here is its comment in french :
Le "Check out" correspond ÃƒÂ la rÃƒÂ©servation d'un document de la GED par un utilisateur pour le mettre ÃƒÂ jour. Quand un document est au statut Ã‚Â« Check out Ã‚Â» il nÃ¢â‚¬â„¢est plus accessible aux autres en modification.

o        Traduction Ã‚Â« Emprunter Ã‚Â»

Ã‚Â·         Le Ã‚Â«Check in Ã‚Â» correspond au rangement du document modifiÃƒÂ© dans la GED.

o        Traduction Ã‚Â« Ranger Ã‚Â»

I've asked him about space and repository translation.
And i've another comment on those two. In the original file, you can find :
Sur les lignes suivantes sont dÃƒÂ©crites les phases d'ajout de contenu dans

#create_content_title=Create Content Wizard
#create_content_desc=This wizard helps you to create a new document in a space.
#create_content_step1_title=Step One - Enter Content
#create_content_step1_desc=Enter your document content into the repository.
#create_content_step2_title=Step Two - Properties
#create_content_step2_desc=Enter information about this content.

I wonder if "Space" and "Repository" do not represent the same term and can both be translated in "dossier" ? I'll wait for my guru answers …

Afterwards, you'll be open to accept or not my suggestions :-).

Laurent.

Re: French (fr_FR)

lgr — Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:13:52 GMT

I've received some answer from my guru.

He uses Netdocuments (i don't really know if it is the same thing that Panagon).

Here is its answer :

Dans notre outil (Netdocuments), nous avons les appellations suivantes :
- Repository, Cabinet et folder.

Repository est liÃƒÂ© ÃƒÂ la notion de contrat : N users avec un certain espace de stockage
Cabinet : super-repertoire qui correspond ÃƒÂ un ensemble logique d'information (projet Etudes, projet Infrastructure, SÃƒÂ©curitÃƒÂ©, etc.)

Folder : sub-division d'un cabinet.

Votre "repository" semble correspondre ÃƒÂ notre "Cabinet",
Votre "space" ÃƒÂ notre "folder".

So my conclusion is that we can translate :
- "space" - "dossier"
- "Repository" - "Espace documentaire"

I let you decide …

Best regards,

Laurent.

Re: French (fr_FR)

johnn — Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:06:00 GMT

It seems like the notion of repository, cabinet and folder fits the documentum paradigm more than the Filenet one.

The notion of a repository is really the entire collection of spaces. Is there not a notion of "repositoire" or depository that we could use? – "DÃƒÂ©pÃƒÂ´t"? Base de donnÃƒÂ©es des documents?

The word "dossier" translates directly to "folder", which fits the traditional sense of what we are doing today. However, we wanted to create the notion of a place where people meet to share and discuss information. From that perspective, is "espace" or "endroit" more appropriate? (Given my limited knowledge of French. Il y a 25 ans depuis j'ai suivi les cours de franÃƒÂ§ais ÃƒÂ l'universitÃƒÂ©.)

In many ways, the notion of "cabinet" as documentum described it fits the notion of space. As mentioned there is the notion of control security in a cabinet. (The idea of lock and key.) However, cabinet is probably closer to a top level space and folder to sub-spaces as expressed in the "sub-division d'un cabinet". We still need to work these concept out more. I would expect a cabinet-like concept to become a space and "dossier" to become a folder in the near future. We are still working on these concepts. For the moment, I would translate the notion of "space" directly to something other than "dossier" and probably to the choices above. We can handle folders later.

Hope that helps. Feel free to email me on john.newton at alfresco.org

Re: French (fr_FR)

lgr — Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:27:29 GMT

John,

I agree with you that "dossier" does not match with what spaces will be in Alfresco. I did not understand that before. Therefore, i agree that "espace" should be a good translation.

For translating "repository", as far as i understand its meaning, we could use "entrepot" (data warehouse). Another proposal should be "zone de stockage", but i think it is too long.

And yes, it helped 🙂

Laurent.

Re: French (fr_FR)

fshipley — Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:55:29 GMT

For the moment, I would translate the notion of "space" directly to something other than "dossier" and probably to the choices above. We can handle folders later.

Hi John,

I'll ask Philippe to change "dossier" back to "espace" for the moment then.

For "repository", what do you (french) guys prefer : "dÃƒÂ©pÃƒÂ´t" or "entrepÃƒÂ´t" ?

Either way, I think we're ready for an initial release of the French Language Pack, then we'll see what feedback we get.

Best regards,
Frank