topic Re: Can the same document be stored in more than one Space? in Alfresco Archive

Can the same document be stored in more than one Space?

theorbix — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:55:07 GMT

In Alfresco, each new document stored in the repository is located in a Space.Questions:1) Is it possible to store the same document in more than one space (I don't mean the concept of document shortcuts, I really mean that the same document should be accessible in two or more spaces)?2) Is it possi

Re: Can the same document be stored in more than one Space?

mrogers — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 19:57:57 GMT

A document belongs to one space only.

You can however have zero, one or more associations between documents.

Re: Can the same document be stored in more than one Space?

theorbix — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:04:50 GMT

Thanks Mrogers,

So is there NO way at all to reference the same document in more than one Space?

I understand that a document must be assigned to one Space, but I thought that it was possible to referece it also from other Spaces.

It's a common feature in many other document management systems…

Re: Can the same document be stored in more than one Space?

pmonks — Sun, 11 Jan 2009 00:26:18 GMT

You can create a link to a given document in any space you wish. In the Alfresco Explorer UI this is done by copying the document to the clipboard then pasting it as a link in some other space.

Links act just like symlinks in Unix and a little like shortcuts in Windows.

Cheers,
Peter

Re: Can the same document be stored in more than one Space?

theorbix — Sun, 11 Jan 2009 10:32:21 GMT

Thanks Pmonks,

When you talk about a link you mean the "Copy / Paste Shortcut" feature exposed in the Web Client, right?

Ok I know this feature, but I've noticed that Shortcuts (pointing to a Document or to a Space) pasted in a Space are not shown via CIFS… I wonder if this is just a small bug of CIFS or if is an inherent limitation of the Shurtcut.

I've opened a new post on this subject, since I'm designing a system in which Shortcuts (or links, as you called them ) should be used quite extensively, and I want to be sure that there are no drawbacks in using this type of relationships between objects.

Last question: Mrogers talks about Associations, and I've just read some documentation in the Wiki about the concept of Associations in the Alfresco content model.

Can you confirm that the Shortcuts actually a type of Association between a document (or a space) and another document (or a pace)?

Re: Can the same document be stored in more than one Space?

norgan — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:47:49 GMT

Hi,
can you give us an update, of what you found out ?

One thing, for instance, have you found a way to make sure, that the original isnt deleted until all links are deleted ?

Re: Can the same document be stored in more than one Space?

theorbix — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:44:56 GMT

Hi Norgan,

I didn't investigate further.

It seems that links (shortcuts) are a good way of referencing the same document in more than one Space, but only in a web-based interface (CIFS does not show shortcuts).

When a document is deleted, all its shortcuts are automatically deleted, so the repository integrity is maintained automatically.

With the standard user interface (Web Client or Share) there is no way to automatically disable the deletion of a document if the document has one or more links, but implementing this check would be fairly easy in a custom web based user interface.

Hope this helps.

Dario

Re: Can the same document be stored in more than one Space?

jayjayecl — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:02:11 GMT

A document belongs to one space only.

You can however have zero, one or more associations between documents.

Are you sure of that ?
I think a document can belong to several spaces, according to cm:folder definition :


<type name="cm:folder">
         <title>Folder</title>
         <parent>cm:cmobject</parent>
         <archive>true</archive>
         <associations>
            <child-association name="cm:contains">
               [b]<source>
                  <mandatory>false</mandatory>
                  <many>true</many>
               </source>[/b]
               <target>
                  <class>sys:base</class>
                  <mandatory>false</mandatory>
                  <many>true</many>
               </target>
               <duplicate>false</duplicate>
               <propagateTimestamps>true</propagateTimestamps>
            </child-association>
         </associations>
      </type>
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You can even see that the "topology" of this association is the same as the association between Groups and members (and a user can belong to several groups) :


<type name="usr:authorityContainer">
         <title>Alfresco Authority Type</title>
         <parent>usr:authority</parent>
         <properties>
         <!– The tokenisation set here is ignored - it is fixed for this type –>
         <!– This is so you can not break group lookup –>
            <property name="usr:authorityName">
               <type>d:text</type>
            <constraints>
                  <constraint ref="usr:authorityNameConstraint" />
               </constraints>
            </property>
            <property name="usr:members">
               <type>d:text</type>
               <multiple>true</multiple>   
            </property>
         <property name="usr:authorityDisplayName">
               <type>d:text</type>
            </property>
         </properties>
         <associations>
            <child-association name="usr:member">
               [b]<source>
                  <mandatory>false</mandatory>
                  <many>true</many>
               </source>[/b]
               <target>
                  <class>usr:authority</class>
                  <mandatory>false</mandatory>
                  <many>true</many>
               </target>
               <duplicate>false</duplicate>
            </child-association>
         </associations>
      </type>  
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At last, it seems that one of my colleague ran some tests and managed to make a content a child of different spaces

Re: Can the same document be stored in more than one Space?

mikeh — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:09:15 GMT

Yes, it is possible for content to have multiple parents. In fact, this is being actively used for the ongoing Records Management development on HEAD.

Thanks,
Mike

Re: Can the same document be stored in more than one Space?

sselvan — Tue, 16 Feb 2010 23:31:17 GMT

I know it is possible to have a same document uploaded to two or more different spaces.

I have a question here -
If I have a same document in two or more spaces - does the repository have references to these documents in two different spaces OR does it use extra storage for the second document?

Thank you

Re: Can the same document be stored in more than one Space?

petter — Tue, 22 Jun 2010 21:51:30 GMT

Can someone give me an up-to-date status on this question?
My take:
The "paste link" is only available in the Alfresco Explorer>Shelf>Clipboard and not in Alfresco Share, and not as a document/folder action?
Also, the pasted link is just an URL content, and does not in any way display like the original (which is what I'd like)?
No plans for making it easier to have a single document instance represented in more than one location?

Re: Can the same document be stored in more than one Space?

petter — Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:04:04 GMT

Yes, it is possible for content to have multiple parents. In fact, this is being actively used for the ongoing Records Management development on HEAD.

Thanks,
Mike

Could you detail in what way this capability has been used in RM please, Mike?
And perhaps elaborate a little on how it could be applied in "regular" Share as well?

Re: Can the same document be stored in more than one Space?

mikeh — Thu, 24 Jun 2010 14:51:00 GMT

It's used to file a Record in multiple Record Folders. Behind the scenes, a secondary parent association is created, so the same child node appears in two places. The ScriptNode API is "addNode": http://wiki.alfresco.com/wiki/3.2_JavaScript_API#Modifying_and_Creating_API

Thanks,
Mike

Re: Can the same document be stored in more than one Space?

petter — Thu, 24 Jun 2010 18:08:50 GMT

Thanks Mike, good info, although it would be nice to know how filing a record into two folders is done in RM…?
Edit: found it - the function "File to…" will show the document in both folders. Deleting one of them deletes them both.

Any plans for enabling the same functionality in regular Share, together with better(?) deletion logic (maybe it should be more like hard links in *nix, i.e. reference counting, i.e. delete the content only when the last link is deleted?)

Re: Can the same document be stored in more than one Space?

standaman — Thu, 03 Jul 2014 18:36:34 GMT

Regarding Pmonks's reply of Sun, 01/11/2009 - 00:26, I could not find a "paste as link" option; only a "paste all" option in the "Browse spaces" panel. I tried copying the document and pasting it to a new space but when I updated the document in the original space the document in the new space did not get updated. Any ideas? Thanks. BTW, using v3.3.5 (.24 419).